Thursday, September 21, 2006

driving is all about good common sense II

I thought I answer some comments here, since it became rather long.

yoda

weeding out drivers would be a long and tedious process and might actually receive a lot disagreement from all level of ppl and further knowing our conutry benchmark, dangerous drivers might be only be those that has already kill someone on the road only.

grashung

driving is as dangerous as a loaded gun, put it into the wrong hands, ppl die. maybe the 3 point turn, balancing the car and the parking can be done on the jalanraya as well. so instead of you banging the pole, now you scratch the car, you fail, simple right ? cant hide that right ? open public test. yes yes how abt all those risk ? scratch cars and all ? are not life more important than money spent on scratch cars ? yes yes what if someone got knock down when they couldnt balance the damn car, then they should not have taken the test in the first place right ? it should not be because you have completed certain hours of driving and then you are allowed to take a test ? you take a test when and when you are ready and confident enough to take it, not other wise. how else do you suppose to have responsible and sensible drivers on the road.

You wanna bet those motor head out there with their modified tincan are not 25 and below ? a lot of college / universities kids are out there partying and drunk driving every single day. College kids are around the age of 18-23 ? Yes I could be generalizing, buts at least it is a reasonable benchmark. I have kids under 25 in my office, and every single one of them modified their tincan one way or another. And yes, all of them love to drive at break neck speed. Can I advise them ? fuck no. cause they’ll fuck me inside out when I do. Yes I also should not generalize my office mates, I guess I should also not generalize my office mates friends. And I should also not generalize those mat rempit. Am I generalizing too much ?

The point on the jpj officers being liable is to put some kind of accountability on them. By no means should the jpj officer approve someone driving test just because it is a normal cause of business. If you were to teach someone to drive, you can see and sense whether that someone is really ready or not just by observing them. Its not rocket science. Just some care and responsibility.

3 comments:

grashung said...

"so instead of you banging the pole, now you scratch the car, you fail, simple right ? cant hide that right ? open public test"

once again, a decent idea with little practical relevance. what kind of traffic jam will this cause, having all this in public. also, what if you scratch someone's mercedes or beemer when parking? if the car is your own you have insurance. if you are still a learner the insurance won't cover you. especially if it is something stupid like taking a parking exam in a public car park.

by the way, i don't see how not parking your car properly can reasonably endanger lives.

how do you determine this :
"you take a test when and when you are ready and confident enough to take it, not other wise. how else do you suppose to have responsible and sensible drivers on the road."

you want them to take a test to see if they are ready to take a test? or leave it arbitrarily in the hands of some driving school instructor with no one to answer to? why complicate matters? 1 test is enough. if you are not ready, you will fail.

most people are not ready to drive on the road, even when they get their licenses. i was not. but i countered this by driving slowly and carefully. this way there is no way someone can get killed.

"You wanna bet those motor head out there with their modified tincan are not 25 and below ? a lot of college / universities kids are out there partying and drunk driving every single day. College kids are around the age of 18-23 ? Yes I could be generalizing, buts at least it is a reasonable benchmark"

yes i agree that most of those people are 25 and below. but why not criticise the jpj for not taking action against these people for making illegal modifications to their cars? why say the age must be increased? why cause injustice to those who would in fact drive carefully? your comments here are out of anger, not proper thought.

actually, there are also a lot of people over the age of 30 driving modified cars around. why not make the legal driving age 50? that way i am sure none of them will be driving modified cars.

"And I should also not generalize those mat rempit. Am I generalizing too much ?"

once again, please think before you type. by defiinition, 'mat rempit' suggests people who go around racing on the streets. therefore, it wouldnt be generalising by saying that they race dangerously, since it is on public streets, but merely defining.

"The point on the jpj officers being liable is to put some kind of accountability on them. By no means should the jpj officer approve someone driving test just because it is a normal cause of business. If you were to teach someone to drive, you can see and sense whether that someone is really ready or not just by observing them. Its not rocket science"

driving exams take 30 minutes. can you tell in 30 minutes whether a person will cause an accident 3 years down the line? no. all you can do is to look at the criteria set down that logically would suggest that this person should be capable of driving on the streets.

if a doctor botches an operation, are you going to make his professor liable? if a person goes out and murders someone, are you going to make his moral teacher liable for passing him in school?

there are other ways to solve the problem, and that is by better enforcement of the law, and the non-acceptance (and not giving too) of bribes. also, stricter laws to punish law breakers should be in place, such as to suspend drivers or even to make them resit their test.

ducky said...

when we park our car near a mercs or a beemer, we always more careful not, right ? same reason here, if it was a pole, bang it damn, you failed, but if there was a porsche, wouldnt you be extra careful then. of course we are talking abt actual exam here. traffic jam is just part of it. driving exam should emulate actual driving, not otherwise.
we are not just talking abt parking cars, but the whole exam process.

yes it is difficult to determine every single person readiness for a test. easier said than done.

unfortunately not everyone is like you grashung. driving slowly and carefully. most ppl that i know that are poor at driving, will only start to drive after their probation period ends. how's that for fuck up. the rest just take to the street like an F1 racer.

at least you agree to the the group age. injustice to the rest ? the chinese race are deem to be greedy ppl, the malays lazy and the indians untrust worthy. i am a chinese and i am by no means greedy at all. but since i am one, i am deed greedy. life is never fair, and i dont expect it so. either live with it or help each other to reduce the accident statistic rates.

i see your point, age is not a barrier to driving fast. but i drive slower now as i have kids now. that helps.

ok i will generalize less, if i can help it.

on the jpj accountability.
base on the criteria set down which they would mark as to whether we met them or not. lets assume you met all the criteria, but lack of one, which is failing to judge the speed of on coming cars before making a cross/turn, should you be pass then ? by normal criteria you would. as one criteria short is still a pass. but come one, if you cannot make accurate judgement on the road, you could easily create an accident. tell me i'm wrong. before you jump the gun, all i want from jpj is some accountablility on their part for passing driving exam.

stricter enforcement is non existent in malaysia. higher fines, suspending of license and resitting of driving exams is something we can hope for i think.

road runner said...

I totally agree with the idea to increase the age limit of driver licence. There are just too many young driver out there who are just too immature to differentiate between a highway and a F1 race track. Let's face it, asking our JPJ officer to strengthen their enforcement is like asking cows to fly. But asking for the age barrier to increase is a more possible option in Malasyia. I think we are not trying to cause injustice to the young group. This is due to the situation in Malaysia. We have to suggest a solution (workable solution) base on the place and condition we are in. If our law enforcer are as good as we wanted it to be and our young generation can think better (not many of our youngsters an use their head as good as garshung), by all means lower down the age limit to 15 yrs old. But my friend, we dont live in such paradise. We are in a place where we get the extreme worst of enforcer and youngster. So we have to propose something workable. I didn't say having the age limit of 25 can solve the problem totally but at least it can reduce the problem we get. No driving licence, no driving ..that simple. Rather than giving them a driving licence and put in more 'stringent' enforcer to catch them while doing 200km/hr on the road. The same analogy: is it simpler to ban gun usage or give everyone a gun and put in more police to wait for someone to start shooting.
Which is simpler? you decide.